VHHX (Old Hong Kong Kai Tak) adding a superb destination to a superb simulation
From PMDG Ops
This will eventually become a step by step guide. For now it is a link to an evolving post in the support forum.
http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=136&topic_id=128832&mesg_id=128832&page=
For many of us Hong Kong will always involve Checker Board Hill. The new airport, while quite nice will never hold us captive in quite the same way. This post will allow PMDG drivers, old and young, to understand (or maybe just remember) what it was like to fly the IGS in the middle of typhoon season, vapor streaming off the wing and your brow at the same rate....
Here is a summary of the post mentioned above:
Hi All-
This is a topic that comes up at least a few times each week. I am in pursuit of the "Holy Grail" of approaches, and a a bit confused with all the various postings on this topic. Could we develop "An Idiot's Guide to adding Kai Tak to the PMDG FMS?" I already have the scenery file (using Kai Tak 98) and it looks wonderful. BTW I am hoping to add Mr. Kwong's Chep Lok today (will it work together with the Kai Tak scenery without issue?).
I'm thinking af a step by step procedure, with all necessary insertion text in correct font and spacing, SID/STAR info and helpful tips- all in one reference compliation.
Anyway, if we could get our best minds together to help the rest of us dim-wits accomplish this I would be most grateful. There seems to be enough interest to work on this project so..........thank-you in advance!
Carl F. Avari-Cooper BAW0225
G-CIVA Sun Feb-25-07 10:25 AM
Member since Feb 04th 2007 27 posts
- 128840, "RE: Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding..."
In response to Reply # 0
Carl,
This is a long one but stay with it....
I have made my own hybrid SID/STAR file, but where possible I have used current STARs as I have found that this makes my flight planning to Kai Tak much easier (I am still on AIRAC 0806)& I do still fly there regularly.
I have also created a very accurate (well in my opinion??) rendition of the IGS proceedure, with all the correct DME fixes etc, this was created in conjunction with my own AFCAD file, during a few late nights at the sim.
You can find some excellent apprach charts for Kai Tak by visiting the Cathay Pacific Airways Virtual website & following the link to Kai Tak.
I have found that most of the addon scenery can be a frame rate killer (just when you don't need it!!) so if anybody knows where I can find JUST the approach lighting it would be useful.
As for the IGS approach....well long post but here goes....its not the diffinitive by a long shot but it works for me!!!
Lets assume you have the a/c (B744) set up for a flap 30 ldg, autobrake 2, with the IGS 111.90/088 manually tuned into the FMC Nav Rad page, MDA set to 680. Its also handy to have your comm panel set up so you are able to hear the approach markers, CH & TH VORs tuned as well as the RW NDB (377) I also suggest you use fairly clear weather the first couple of times.
You decend inbound to the CH VOR overhead at 8000' the continuing the decent initially to 6000' outbound on the 270 radial to waypoint 'Golf' at the 7 DME/270R from CH, at this stage I am slowing the a/c down to 220kts & getting Flap 1 deployed.
Then its down to 4500' turning right onto HDG 045 to intercept the IGS inbound cse of 088, further slowing below 200kts & getting back to Flap 10 - not forgetting to arm the LOC mode on the MCP!!
If you time this segment nicely you will intercepting the LOC beam at about 10-11 NM out at 180kts with Flap 10, arming the G/S mode on your MCP, well before the G/S beam comes alive. You will also get a nice view of Chep Lap Kok (VHHH) below you during the turn!!
Continue down the LOC & intercept the G/S normally (once gear down/Flap 20 ARM those spoilers!!!) aiming to be at VREF + 10 kts with Flap 25 as you decend through approx 9 DME prior to the OM.
You should then be in a perfect position to get back to Flap 30 & VREF + 10 Kts overhead the OM at approx 1720'.
Complete the landing checklist & once you have Flap 30 Green reset your HDG on the MCP to 136, ensure you still have 4500 still dialed into the ALT window just in case of the Go -Around.
Once your happy you have her in a stable approach configuration get rid of the A/P, FD & the A/T & continue the approach until minimums. You can push left of the LOC centre-line in good visual condidtions in order to give you a shallower turn onto short final, but if the conditions are marginal keep it on the numbers down to 680'.
At MDA (or before) commence the right turn.
As for the turn try to set her up into a constant rate initially, adjusting as you go with a bit more or less bank as required. I normally input 17-20 degrees initially, depending on the wind, you may need less or slightly more, 25 degs is the most I have ever needed.
Keep that rate of decent at 600-700 fpm, no more or you will get low obviously. Use your throttles, with a slight nose pitch up for decent rate control in the turn. Always try to maintain VREF + 10 Kts.
You should roll out of the turn at approx 400-350 AGL lined up on a very short final. Make your adjustments at this stage small ones as you are very near to the ground.
Flare & land normally, or if it does'nt look right execute a G/A immediately. Do not try & will her onto the rwy or you will look like the KAL 744 we have all watched in the video!!!!
The bottom line is if you cannot see the RWY environment by MDA, or if you are not happy at any stage - execute a G/A immediately. This must be by the MM during the MDA segment anyway.
During the G/A get the F/D back on to give you the correct pitch indications.
Cannot say more than that really, its just simple plain old 'seat of the pants' stuff, not forgetting the huge amount of inertia you have with a 250 ton piece of metal behind you, I wish that bit could be replicated in the virtual world!!
It took me plenty of practice to get any where near an acceptable standard of accuracy, but just like the real world you need to be prepared that you will not get it right every time!!!
This is what makes it so much FUN!!!
If you want to have a look at my AFCAD & SID STAR file send me an e-mail.
Regards
Steve B
lasnubes Sun Feb-25-07 10:37 AM
Member since Sep 08th 2006 19 posts
- 128841, "RE: Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding..."
In response to Reply # 2
Good, some progress- Lefteris, I am honored you are part of this post- indeed- I will upload to Wiki as soon as comprehensive data is available.
Steve, thanks for your posting- great. Now if we can get some people to chime in with the actual file edits.......
Carl F. Avari-Cooper BAW0225
G-CIVA Sun Feb-25-07 10:59 AM
Member since Feb 04th 2007 27 posts
- 128842, "RE: Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding..."
In response to Reply # 3
Carl,
Sorry mate, I am not at home at the mo, I can upload AFCAD & SID/STAR FILE tomorrow luchtime when I get home, is there an idiots guide on how to do this anyone??
Regards
Steve B
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lasnubes Sun Feb-25-07 11:57 AM
Member since Sep 08th 2006 19 posts
- 128845, "RE: Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding..."
In response to Reply # 4 Sun Feb-25-07 12:02 PMby lasnubes
Ok some more success- here's what I have done so far......
FIRST Got the scenery from Avsim- search for Kiatak98.zip
SECOND Got the SID/STARS from NavData (Old Hong Kong VHHX) http://www.navdata.at/php/sidstar/dl_list.php?addon=PMDG
THIRD Backed-up the WpNavAPT.txt AND airports.dat file
FOURTH Followed the instructions in this post.... http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=136&topic_id=128457&mode=full
FIFTH Flew the approach!
Still having an issue with auto-tuning, CH and SL both show on the Nav Display, however the radio does not auto tune....despite the IGS13 approach available in APPDEP.....?? I was able to manually tune 111.9/088 and execute....?? Also, when forming route VHHXVHHX the CO and SL and IGS Procedure show ok (incluging magenta confirmed FP for LNAV), but FMS calculated 700 odd miles to VHHX and with the fuel load set for a light approach, kept giving me INSUFFICIENT FUEL messages. I knew the actual distance so I kept clearing the message- just annoying......... The FMS read all the other distances, including TH fine.....
Maybe one of our experts can look at my files.....or hazard a guess as to what the issue is.....anyway success in the Baron....total disaster in the 400F...........WONDERFUL!!!!!
Thanks to all- and esp. to PMDG- nothing beats this bird!
Carl F. Avari-Cooper BAW0225
lasnubes Sun Feb-25-07 01:11 PM
Member since Sep 08th 2006 19 posts
- 128848, "RE: Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding..."
In response to Reply # 5
Wow..what a rush, cajoling 600,000 lbs of airframe on to a curved approach and actually touching down without incident. Turning off 13 I saw the Fire Trucks, and just for a moment found myself in the cockpit of Cathay 561 (from the Google Video)....
Still a mess as far as radio tuning/FMS, but at CG I disconnected everything and hand flew to to the runway..........WOW!
Some pics for fun.......anyone know, is it an afcad, file edit or ??? issue re. the radio/fms probs....... TIA
Carl F. Avari-Cooper BAW02
G-CIVA Sun Feb-25-07 01:49 PM
Member since Feb 04th 2007 27 posts
- 128850, "RE: Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding..."
In response to Reply # 6
Carl,
Nice one mate, BTW what sort of frame rate were you getting with the scenery????
With regard to the auto tuning of the IGS (KL), an entry must be added to one of the files in your AIRAC, can't remember which one though. This should then auto tune once rwy selection is made. Have not done this myself yet, I will have to use the same co-ordinate info as in my AFCAD file, will have a look at it tomorrow night.
I will paste my SID/STAR file into a post tomorrow night, but as I said it will only work with my AFCAD unless I reprogramme the co-ordinates from the addon scenery AFCAD (time consuming!!!).
Keep on flying the approach until you feel relaxed & can anticipate your next move.
Regards
Steve
lasnubes Sun Feb-25-07 02:10 PM
Member since Sep 08th 2006 19 posts
- 128851, "RE: Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding..."
In response to Reply # 7
Steve, I stay pretty much at 23.8 FPS 99% of the time. Reading all the other postings, I am quite happy with that on my legacy machine AMD 64 3500.............no dual core, but nVidia 7900 card....2 gigs
Carl F. Avari-Cooper BAW0225
downscc Sun Feb-25-07 02:11 PM
Member since Feb 09th 2006 729 posts
- 128852, "RE: Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding..."
In response to Reply # 7
The ILS info is included with each runway in the wpNavAPT.txt file.
The two entries I have left over from last time this came up are:
Hong Kong VHHX31 10930316 22.304401 114.216064000.0031600000 Hong Kong VHHX13 10930136 22.324850 114.193176000.0013600000
Adjust the spacing with space bar (not tab key) to line up with existing entries.
These need to be inserted into the file as separate lines after each cycle updates because it is an inactive airport and not included in current data.
The airports.dat file needs the following line inserted:
VHHX 22.316959 114.202621
The third file is the VHHX.txt file for sidstars.
Hope this helps.
Dan Downs KCRP
Westjet737-700 Sun Feb-25-07 04:10 PM
Member since Mar 29th 2006 65 posts
- 128855, "RE: Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding..."
In response to Reply # 9
There is a big Fly-In to Hong Kong this weekend, Saturday March 03 from 11:00-15:00z. Last time VHHX_TWR came on when there was traffic.
Read here for the details: http://www.vatsea.net/?go=events
Here's everyones chance to do the IGS 13 approach into KaiTak on-line with Vatsim and of course the PMDG 737 or 747!!!
See you there,
Ken
G-CIVA Mon Feb-26-07 11:56 AM
Member since Feb 04th 2007 27 posts
- 128888, "RE: Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding..."
In response to Reply # 6
Carl,
As promised here is my SID/STAR file for VHHX, make a copy of your current file & stick it somewhere safe, then copy the data below into your VHHX file. This also includes the direct feed & racetrack feeds to the Rwy 13 Visual approach - even more fun.
The STARs are more recent & the same as those for VHHH ending at the CH VOR for the IGS 13 Approach.
Same detail with the AFCAD, SAVE THE ORIGINAL somewhere safe then add mine & away you go!!
Enjoy
Steve B
// VHXX - HONG KONG KAI TAK INTL // Copyrighted 25/04/2006 by Steve BELL // Data from 10/9/1997.
FIXES
FIX A LATLON N 22 16.200 E 115 08.600
FIX C LATLON N 21 17.480 E 113 36.300
FIX D LATLON N 21 20.060 E 114 31.480
FIX GOLF LATLON N 22 12.550 E 113 54.180
FIX J LATLON N 22 19.490 E 114 28.540
FIX K LATLON N 21 52.300 E 114 41.300
FIX LIMA LATLON N 22 08.071 E 114 24.230
FIX M LATLON N 21 17.800 E 113 15.600
FIX N LATLON N 22 17.400 E 115 11.400
FIX O LATLON N 21 51.018 E 114 14.252
FIX Q LATLON N 21 19.800 E 114 43.700
FIX T LATLON N 21 12.200 E 113 43.600
FIX W LATLON N 22 01.599 E 114 30.360
FIX KL15 LATLON N 22 19.040 E 113 56.350
FIX KL9 LATLON N 22 19.450 E 114 02.700
FIX OM13 LATLON N 22 19.710 E 114 06.830
FIX KL4.8 LATLON N 22 19.740 E 114 07.340
FIX KL2.2 LATLON N 22 19.940 E 114 10.400
FIX IHK12 LATLON N 22 10.040 E 114 22.150
FIX IHK3 LATLON N 22 16.290 E 114 15.160
FIX MM13 LATLON N 22 19.960 E 114 10.700
FIX MM31 LATLON N 22 17.450 E 114 13.870
FIX CH LATLON N 22 13.173 E 114 01.803
FIX CH5.5 COLOCATED CH 045 05.5
FIX CH10 COLOCATED CH 225 10
FIX CC LATLON N 22 12.100 E 114 01.600
FIX TH LATLON N 22 14.300 E 114 17.300
FIX SC LATLON N 22 19.200 E 114 07.900
FIX RW LATLON N 22 19.600 E 114 11.500
FIX SL LATLON N 22 17.500 E 113 54.400
FIX ACORN LATLON N 20 17.6 E 114 44.1
FIX ASTRA LATLON N 22 16.5 E 115 11.6
FIX BAKER LATLON N 21 13.020 E 114 39.070
FIX BEKOL LATLON N 22 32.6 E 114 8
FIX CHERY LATLON N 20 22.8 E 115 05.0
FIX CORAL LATLON N 20 51.520 E 113 05.070
FIX MANGO LATLON N 21 36.490 E 114 30.530
FIX MELON LATLON N 22 16.2 E 115 00.8
FIX DOTMI LATLON N 22 43.060 E 116 10.050
FIX ELATO LATLON N 22 19.600 E 117 30.000
FIX ENVAR LATLON N 22 01.600 E 114 30.360
FIX DUMOL LATLON N 19 00.000 E 114 23.180
FIX IDOSI LATLON N 19 00.000 E 112 30.000
FIX DUMOL LATLON N 19 00.000 E 114 26.800
FIX DAGON LATLON N 19 05.180 E 111 51.540
FIX SIKOU LATLON N 20 50.360 E 111 30.000
FIX KILOG LATLON N 21 52.270 E 114 41.370
FIX MAGOG LATLON N 22 17.460 E 115 49.300
FIX CH055 LATLON N 22 17.046 E 114 05.208
FIX CH010 LATLON N 22 06.046 E 113 54.113
FIX CH117 LATLON N 21 56.075 E 114 40.464
FIX CH132 LATLON N 21 47.186 E 114 34.424
FIX CH001 LATLON N 21 43.140 E 115 44.290
FIX CH013 LATLON N 21 40.497 E 114 42.544
FIX CH190 LATLON N 21 33.249 E 113 58.487
FIX CH175 LATLON N 21 33.194 E 114 07.007
FIX CH021 LATLON N 21 30.344 E 113 33.222
FIX CH015 LATLON N 21 28.499 E 114 26.571
FIX CH020 LATLON N 21 26.574 E 113 40.505
FIX CH019 LATLON N 21 23.286 E 113 54.197
FIX CH017 LATLON N 21 23.218 E 114 08.187
FIX KAPLI LATLON N 21 10.000 E 117 30.000
FIX CH002 LATLON N 21 08.170 E 115 23.420
FIX CH004 LATLON N 20 47.560 E 113 05.120
FIX CH003 LATLON N 20 44.250 E 114 51.500
FIX NOMAN LATLON N 20 00.000 E 116 40.300
FIX CH100 LATLON N 21 51.420 E 115 47.000
FIX ROBIN LATLON N 21 02.450 E 114 16.060
FIX SABNO LATLON N 18 59.100 E 115 50.700
FIX SIERA LATLON N 21 59.2 E 113 33.2
FIX TAMOT LATLON N 22 21.500 E 113 52.000
FIX HERON LATLON N 21 19.8 E 113 53.6
FIX SIKOU LATLON N 20 50.6 E 111 30.0
FIX GINJA LATLON N 20 39.8 E 112 02.3
ENDFIXES
RNWS RNW 13 RNW 31 ENDRNWS
SIDS SID BEKOL1A FIX BEKOL RNW 13 FIX TH FIX LIMA AT OR BELOW 7000 FIX J 7000 FIX BEKOL 11800 SID BEKOL2C FIX BEKOL RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 FIX TH 11000 FIX BEKOL 11800 SID DOTMI1A FIX DOTMI RNW 13 FIX TH FIX W AT OR BELOW 7000 HDG 090 INTERCEPT RADIAL 104 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH100 FIX DOTMI SID DOTMI2C FIX DOTMI RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 HDG 090 INTERCEPT RADIAL 104 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH100 FIX DOTMI SID ELATO1A FIX ELATO RNW 13 FIX TH FIX W AT OR BELOW 7000 HDG 090 INTERCEPT RADIAL 104 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH100 FIX ELATO SID ELATO2C FIX ELATO RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 HDG 090 INTERCEPT RADIAL 104 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH100 FIX ELATO SID ENVAR1A FIX ENVAR RNW 13 FIX TH FIX W AT OR BELOW 7000 FIX KILOG AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX ENVAR SID ENVAR2C FIX ENVAR RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 FIX O 9000 FIX KILOG AT OR BELOW 14000 FIX ENVAR SID NOMAN1A FIX NOMAN RNW 13 FIX TH FIX W AT OR BELOW 7000 HDG 136 INTERCEPT RADIAL 117 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH117 FIX NOMAN SID NOMAN2C FIX NOMAN RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 FIX O HDG 090 INTERCEPT RADIAL 120 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH117 FIX NOMAN SID SABNO1A FIX SABNO RNW 13 FIX TH FIX W AT OR BELOW 7000 HDG 180 INTERCEPT RADIAL 154 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH132 FIX SABNO SID SABNO2C FIX SABNO RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 FIX O HDG 090 INTERCEPT RADIAL 179 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH132 FIX SABNO SID DUMOL1A FIX DUMOL RNW 13 FIX TH FIX W AT OR BELOW 7000 HDG 235 INTERCEPT RADIAL 175 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH175 FIX DUMOL SID DUMOL2C FIX DUMOL RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 HDG 154 INTERCEPT RADIAL 194 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH175 FIX DUMOL SID IDOSI1A FIX IDOSI RNW 13 FIX TH FIX W AT OR BELOW 7000 HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 175 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH175 FIX IDOSI SID IDOSI2C FIX IDOSI RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 HDG 154 INTERCEPT RADIAL 194 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH175 FIX IDOSI SID DAGON1A FIX DAGON RNW 13 FIX TH FIX W AT OR BELOW 7000 HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 199 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH020 FIX DAGON SID DAGON2C FIX DAGON RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 HDG 154 INTERCEPT RADIAL 203 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH020 FIX DAGON SID SIKOU1A FIX SIKOU RNW 13 FIX TH FIX W HDG 235 INTERCEPT RADIAL 175 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH175 FIX SIKOU SID SIKOU2C FIX SIKOU RNW 31 FIX RW FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH AT OR ABOVE 3000 HDG 154 INTERCEPT RADIAL 194 FROM NAVAID CH FIX CH175 FIX SIKOU ENDSIDS
STARS STAR DAGON1A FIX DAGON FIX CORAL FIX ROBIN AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13 STAR DAGON1B FIX DAGON FIX CORAL FIX ROBIN AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31 STAR DOTMI1A FIX DOTMI FIX MAGOG AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX ASTRA FIX MELON 15000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13 STAR DOTMI1B FIX DOTMI FIX MAGOG AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX ASTRA FIX MELON 15000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31 STAR DUMOL1A FIX DUMOL FIX ACORN FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13 STAR DUMOL1B FIX DUMOL FIX ACORN FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31 STAR ELATO1A FIX ELATO FIX MAGOG AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX ASTRA FIX MELON AT OR ABOVE 15000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13 STAR ELATO1B FIX ELATO FIX MAGOG AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX ASTRA FIX MELON AT OR ABOVE 15000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31 STAR IDOSI1A FIX IDOSI FIX CORAL FIX ROBIN AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13 STAR IDOSI1B FIX IDOSI FIX CORAL FIX ROBIN AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31 STAR NOMAN1A FIX NOMAN FIX CHERY AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13 STAR NOMAN1B FIX NOMAN FIX CHERY AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31 STAR SABNO1A FIX SABNO FIX CHERY AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13 STAR SABNO1B FIX SABNO FIX CHERY AT OR ABOVE 26000 FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31 STAR SIERA2A FIX SIERA FIX HERON FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13 STAR SIERA2B FIX SIERA FIX HERON FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31 STAR SIERA2C FIX SIERA FIX HERON FIX ROBIN FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13 STAR SIERA2D FIX SIERA FIX HERON FIX ROBIN FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31 STAR SIKOU1A FIX SIKOU FIX GINJA FIX CORAL FIX ROBIN FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX CH 8000 RNW 13 STAR SIKOU1B FIX SIKOU FIX GINJA FIX CORAL FIX ROBIN FIX BAKER FIX MANGO AT OR ABOVE 13000 SPEED 250 FIX W FIX LIMA 4500 RNW 31 ENDSTARS
APPROACHES APPROACH IGS13 FIX CH 8000 FIX OVERFLY GOLF 6000 FIX SL 4500 SPEED 220 FIX KL15 4500 SPEED 180 FIX KL9 FIX OM13 1730 FIX KL4.8 FIX KL2.2 0680 FIX MM13 FIX RW RNW 13 HOLD AT FIX TH RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 316 ALT 4500 SPEED 230 LEGTIME 1 APPROACH DFI_VIS13 FIX CH10 4500 FIX CH 2700 FIX CH5.5 FIX SC FIX KL2.2 0680 FIX MM13 FIX RW RNW 13 HOLD AT FIX TH RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 316 ALT 4500 SPEED 230 LEGTIME 1 APPROACH RTFI_VIS13 HOLD AT FIX CH RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 045 ALT 4500 SPEED 230 LEGTIME 2 FIX OVERFLY CH5.5 FIX OVERFLY SC SPEED 160 FIX KL2.2 0680 FIX MM13 FIX RW RNW 13 HOLD AT FIX TH RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 316 ALT 4500 SPEED 230 LEGTIME 1 APPROACH ILS31 FIX LIMA 4500 FIX IHK12 FIX TH 2000 FIX IHK3 FIX MM31 RNW 31 FIX SC HDG 251 INTERCEPT RADIAL 031 FROM NAVAID CH HOLD AT FIX CH LEFT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 270 ALT 4500 SPEED 230 LEGTIME 1 ENDAPPROACHES
Attachment #1, (txt file)
roland Tue Feb-27-07 07:59 AM
Member since Feb 29th 2004 91 posts
- 128929, "RE: Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding..."
In response to Reply # 11
Thanks Steve. Just a quick question about adding your details to the AFCAD file. I have the "af2_VHHX_ils_jv.bgl" which has come together with the scenery. Do I really have to add all your text to that file, and if yes, where, on top or at the bottom?
Roland
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diskus Wed Feb-28-07 04:06 AM
Member since Jan 06th 2006 99 posts
- 128962, "RE: Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding..."
In response to Reply # 11
Carl,
Does your IGS13 app line you up with the curved approach lighting in the Kat Tak 98 package?
For me it places the plane somewhat off to the right of the line of those lights
Mike
diskus Wed Feb-28-07 06:15 PM
Member since Jan 06th 2006 99 posts
- 129004, "RE: Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding..."
In response to Reply # 17
Oops wrong person. this is in refernce to the above sid star post
Mike
tunnelcat Mon Feb-26-07 03:33 PM
Member since Nov 09th 2006 49 posts
- 128893, "RE: Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding..."
In response to Reply # 0
Carl,
Did you get the file vhxx.zip from the Avsim library? It has some of the SID/STARS for Kai Tak runway 13 and 31 tells you where to install them into your PMDG database for use with the FMS and it should work since you have the Kai Tak 98 file installed in FS9. I've been flying these approaches while using the 747 FMS with the above files. You can even use the holding pattern at the CH VOR when coming into Kai Tak in preparation for final approach to runway 13. Fun!
Kim
mcbellette Tue Feb-27-07 10:58 PM
Member since Apr 02nd 2005 63 posts
- 128953, "RE: Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding..."
In response to Reply # 0
Does anyone know of any GOOD Kai Tak (VHHX) freeware scenery available on the net? If you could provide a website name and filename to assist with locating it, I'd be most grateful!
Thanks,
Matt Newcastle, NSW - Australia
lasnubes Wed Feb-28-07 01:17 AM
Member since Sep 08th 2006 19 posts
- 128958, "RE: Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding..."
In response to Reply # 14
Steve, much obliged! I will experiment in the next couple of days.
As far as the scenery request- just search for KaiTak98 at Avsim- superb- I understand that Mr. Kwong's Chep Lok is also wonderful but haven't added it as I don't yet know if it will work together with the Kai Tak add-on. The default Chep Lok seems to show up though....thoughts?
Thanks!
Carl F. Avari-Cooper BAW0225
falconno Wed Feb-28-07 04:00 AM
Member since Oct 15th 2003 274 posts
- 128961, "RE: Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding..."
In response to Reply # 15
I can also highly recommend kaitak98 scenery by Jim Vile available in the library as kaitak98.zip. It's without any framerate hogging eye-candy's, easy on framerate. User aircrafts will have all approach options through ATC and GPS under both VMC and IMC conditions too.
Jim has even coded and compiled the scenery so that AI aircrafts will follow the full IGS/LDA Precision Approach and operate under both VMC and IMC airport conditions for AI Planes.
The zip also include charts, AI flight plans, simple mesh files and an option to remove VHHH. Remember to read the documentation carefully.
Together with Steve's SID/STAR data in this thread, fire up your PMDG 747 and be ready for some challenging approaches!
Best regards
Per Arild
tunnelcat Wed Feb-28-07 03:26 PM
Member since Nov 09th 2006 49 posts
- 128998, "RE: Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding..."
In response to Reply # 14
Matt, Go check out this website for Project 9 Dragons:
http://www.milehighproductions.cwhnetworks.com/
This really looks good and I can't wait for it to come out.
Kim
G-CIVA Thu Mar-01-07 09:50 AM
Member since Feb 04th 2007 27 posts
- 129033, "RE: Kai Tak..........the definitive post.........adding..."
In response to Reply # 18
Guys,
I have been out of comms range for a few days due to work commitments, so sorry for any delay in response!!
I agree that my SID/STAR data does put the a/c very slighly to the right of centre line of the curved approach lighting, I used my AFCAD file to correctly position the coordinates for my SID/STAR file, & I had believed that my positioning of the LOC/GS in the AFCAD was correct, if anybody knows the correct coordinates then plse post them, I can them make a comparison & adjust files accordingly. I can then re post the SID/STAR data & adjust the AFCAD if you so wish??
Steve B
